Mark Mitten 0:05 You have breadmaking your brand new kitchen and you're not sure what to do about the oven. You'd better call Paul. Paul McAlary 0:16 Hi, Olga, can you hear me? I can. Welcome to taking my call. Yeah. I forgot to turn off the phone. So welcome to calls with Paul. And we've split. Olga, we've spoken to you before and I forget your kitchen design. Did you send me anything to look at it? We just talking about it today? Olga 0:38 We're send you any? No, I didn't send you anything. But I liked what you had suggested to make pervy you adding a peninsula and then having the Bank of cabinets. So I had a couple of questions. I was actually looking at two photos in your gallery of inspiration. One was the Villanova renovated barn. And the other one was the Collegeville. Pennsylvania kitchen, the renovated barn is a little bit more of a relaxed design. And then the Congress Ville Pennsylvania is a little fancier, if you will. I mean, it has raised panel cabinets, I was thinking more shaker. But in your opinion, is it simply just a matter of taste? Or do you think one design would be better than the other? The ones from Collegeville? Pa has that arched hood, the wood hood over the the I Paul McAlary 1:38 think your kitchen is both of those kitchens are a lot bigger than yours? Olga 1:45 Sure, sure. Paul McAlary 1:47 You know, I just have the peninsula version I just sent you. So like the arched hood that you have over the stove, I think ever going to succeed doing that. Because you need a long wall for that and where your stove is going, it's just not long enough. So, you know, a lot of it's not about what you like, as much sometimes is it's about what we can accomplish in your particular space. Olga 2:19 Agree. And then that's how I ask you about that. Paul McAlary 2:24 Yeah. And then I think also, for me toes, you seen the like the shaker or a recess panel more than the raised panel. So if you do in a smaller kitchen, the raised panel and any of this stuff that you're trying to do start to get a little bit busy, because not enough space to really accomplish it. So keeping things a little bit simpler, I think works better. So in your design, maybe I do a hood over the stove. That's a simple hood, like stainless steel hood, or a microwave hood, if you really want to maximize space, so that you're you know, but then you know, a lot of people don't like that. Look, it's very utilitarian. So if you wanted a fancier kitchen, you can have a hood over the stove. And then but certainly the microwave over the stove, even though it's a lot of people don't like as much it gets your microwave off of your countertop and frees up other areas where you might have had, you know, to put it otherwise. Olga 3:34 Yeah, and my idea was maybe to get one of those speed ovens, but I don't really care about cooking fast. And it's expensive, you know, and so, so that was going to be my solution to put one of those in the wall along with a wall oven because I like to have a second oven because I do a lot of baking, but But it's expensive. And so I think I may just go ahead and put the microwave over the the range because I'm gonna get an induction stove and so it's not going to generate the kind of CSN need Paul McAlary 4:11 the you can get a microwave hood. That's a microwave speed of hook. Okay, so that's going to be a much more expensive microwave. But you don't really need the speed part of it, but it gives you another convection oven Olga 4:29 if you want. Exactly. Yeah, that's what I want. Paul McAlary 4:32 And it can act as a warming drawer to why not a warming compartment. Yeah, so yeah. And then even more expensive appliance over your stove. You're gonna save all the ovens and other stuff and the even the tall of a cabinet that's the most it's the oven cabinet is the most expensive tool cabinet in the kitchen. Because it's a specialty cabinet so it saves you a little you save struggle a little bit more on inexpensive microwave hood, but then you saved a whole bunch of money on cabinetry and everything else. Olga 5:08 Yeah, I agree with you. I'm probably gonna end up keeping a wall oven only because I, I really, it's, it's a dream to have to like bigger ovens with all the baking, but I'd say to have that third one would be wonderful too. Because I do run out of space with the baking that we do. We're into the artisan bread baking thing. So that would be a good solution. And then I was thinking about, Paul McAlary 5:40 how do you make your dough? Olga 5:43 Well, I actually buy the organic grains and I bought a mill and I grind the grains. And then I make my dough and it's a sourdough. Paul McAlary 5:52 And you make it all by hand. You don't use like a bread maker or anything. Olga 5:57 Oh, yeah, yeah, all by hand. I had a breadmaker years ago, and I gave it away, but, you know, doodle by hand and bake it in Dutch ovens. And so that's why I need bigger stoves, or ovens because I can only usually fit two of my dutch ovens in one stove, and then in my wallet, because it's only 27 inch, I can only fit one. Well, I like making four loaves at a time because usually the quantities that you're making is enough for one big or two smaller ones. And then I'm always having to bake one hour longer, because I need to make one more, you know. So yeah, Paul McAlary 6:35 the peninsula design for you that we've got works very well. Because if you're so if you're a big Baker, you'll have a big long piece of countertop to roll out, go up, don't go out and need things and everything else, you know, along the back wall. Olga 6:53 I agree with you. And I think that that's the part I'm most excited about actually. Yeah, because that's been that's been the biggest difficulty is that, you know, the lack of counterspace to do all this stuff on and the thing is, I've used my my ceramic glass stovetop as an extension of my counter, but with induction, I'm probably not going to do that as much. So you won't need it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so in terms of, you know, just making it like a bit fancier kitchen or a more relaxed kitchen, because I see the Villanova renovated barn is more relaxed. And I have this really nice table. It's an antique table, brown wood table. And then I have these Hitchcock's chairs that are black with brown seats, and then kind of painted on the back. The back, you know, where you lean up against, and I think it would look nice in the kitchen, it reminds me a little bit of that renovated barn. Paul McAlary 7:58 Well, what table? How big is this table? Because your area that we've got the table in is pretty small. So Olga 8:07 well, I, I thought I could put it up against the back of the where the sink area is, and put the four chairs around it like that. Is that what you were thinking? Paul McAlary 8:17 Yeah, the question is, is how long is this table that you've got? Olga 8:22 It's not a huge table, like it would fit a 70 inch tablecloth Max, you know, it's a drop leaf table. It's kind of a, it's, it's what I have to one is well, not one, it's mahogany. And I was gonna use the one that one I think Paul McAlary 8:37 the table in the picture we've got that works in the present design for you. 12345. So your table has to be 60 ingested really be no more than 60 inches. Yeah, it's Olga 8:56 not. Okay. And that works. Yeah. Yeah. And and then the chairs aren't are. They're not diminutive, but they're not massive. D there's actually small. Paul McAlary 9:07 Fine for chairs. Yeah. Yeah. Olga 9:11 Yeah, so I was. So that's when I saw the Villanova barn. I'm thinking that's kind of nice. And it would be a little bit more relaxed. And then what what kind of wood would you put? Would you put a stainless wood? Or would you put a white hood over that? With the cabinetry, Paul McAlary 9:30 I think you could do either one. If you if you're doing any one of those hoods, then you're not having any kind of convection microwave convection oven over the top. It's just going to be fun. And then if a wooden hood that will be the most expensive version. So if it's a wooden matching hood, the hood itself will cost you over $1,000 Probably, and then you're going to have to get a blower or insert that's going to cost five For 600, so you're going to have a $1,600 or something hood, if it was a stainless steel hood, and it went under a cabinet. Well, that's the least expensive thing that you might get your hook could be to get a, you know, a pretty nice hood. And the input itself might be $400. And the cabinet above, it could be a few $100, that will be the least expensive. If you got a stainless steel hood, that was a chimney hood. For I think the kitchens that it sounds like you like, even if you it's a chimney hood is very, it's more contemporary. So if you're not going contemporary, and you got like a stainless steel, it's called a canopy hood, where it's sort of angled back. If you got a bigger stainless steel hood that was angled back, that hood might be $800 or something like that. But the most expensive solution will be the wooden one. Olga 10:59 You think that it would look the nicest Paul McAlary 11:03 all of this stuff. You know if I showed you pictures of kitchens. As long as it's all done, right, it all looks nice no matter what, no matter which of these things that you pick in a small kitchen. A simple sometimes is better. So, you know, I, you know, maybe the thing I would like, maybe it's if I'm really going to have a wooden hood. A lot of the times I really liked the wooden hood to be wider than the the stove that's underneath it. Olga 11:38 And yeah, I agree, Paul McAlary 11:41 you don't really have room for that. And then also, the other thing is if you're going to have the wooden hood, in our design as we had it last, we didn't really have the size of the cabinets being symmetrical on both sides of the stove. So you had a smaller wall cabinet on the left, the door was smaller than it was on the right. So the more ornate and complicated your hood get gets, the more your eye is drawn to the fact that these things aren't symmetrical on each, right. So I might just keep. Olga 12:15 Yeah, what I was thinking about doing was using a diagonal wall cabinet in the corner, and then having an 18 inch cabinet on one side and an 18 inch Kevin on the other side with a 36 inch hood. If I do a hood if if I do the microwaves and I'll be 30 inches the Paul McAlary 12:34 issue with that is if you got the 24 angled cabinet in the corner, and an 18 inch cabinet. What bottom cabinet are you putting in the corner? Olga 12:46 Well, I was gonna do the Lazy Susan and then a nine inch you know, cabinet to put Paul McAlary 12:55 Sure so that totally works. But then you're going to have with the nine inch cabinet that leaves you with 21. So yeah, filler, a filler and an 18 and then another 18. This was 30. So let's see. 30 minus 1230 minus nine is 21. So yeah, so maybe you have the 30. I like that. Maybe you have the 36 than a nine inch cabinet. Then actually what you'll have left. If you do the 30 and the nine you'll have 20 You'll have 2136 plus nine, you'll have 21 on the left, the hood and a 21 on the right, but if you made the hood like you said six inches wider than the bottom cabinets would be a 21 on the end but the top cabinet would only be 18 Yeah, like that a lot. You thought of that on your own? Yeah, Olga 14:01 well I was looking at different kitchens and then I started playing with the mouse because Oh my My daughter moved into a house this weekend and it has that little cabinet for the for the pants and when I was unpacking her stuff I said this is fabulous. I need this so it's different pictures and and they actually put it next to the Lazy Susan you know because I guess it went well there and so then I was playing around with the top cabinets Originally I wanted that kind of easy reach cabinet with you know the bifold door I guess it's called but because it's easy however my I have that but the door after wall hangs because it's heavy. And so I thought maybe that diagonal cabinet would be the better. Paul McAlary 14:47 Nice too because the doors wider. So you're going to end up with these 18 inch doors and so that they're going to be essentially 18 inches wide. And then the duct the folding door would be two twelves so So this way it's going to be like 16 and a half or something like that for the diagonal cabinet. So when you walk cabinet doors will be similar sizes. But yeah, I really liked that and then you can get any hood that you want your way, my way was gonna look bad with the hood, but your way works much better. Olga 15:18 You know, I've just seen the pictures with the hoods and it just looks so nice, you know. But again, you know, Paul McAlary 15:25 that's the way you have to do it. You have to do it your way to get a nice to get a nice foot. That's you and especially if you're going to do it and you like the look of the hood. You want the hood to be six inches wider than the cabinet's below and then if you really liked the look get get the wooden hook it's worth the money. Yeah. Olga 15:45 Yeah, I agree with you and which which kind of wood hood would you go with? I mean, what have you used Paul McAlary 15:51 I would keep it sort of simple. So that would be like a wooden hood that has its slopes in the front, the more traditional one I'm just going to look at one of our kitchens and see if we have one on our wet on our maybe on our house page finder go into our house page Olga 16:21 and then I have oak floors it has a natural finish to it. It's kind of a warm color though which which I liked with the white which is why I ended up getting the wood floors because my kitchen was so stark but would you get a wood hood that would coordinate with that or Paul McAlary 16:41 or at the guy keep it with again your your the room is not gigantic, so I keep it simpler and just trying to find Okay, so it's Olga 16:55 well I know J and K makes a very simple hood as a matter of fact, I kind of love the fab you would hoods because they had those panels in the front. Paul McAlary 17:05 Yeah, maybe 36 is Olga 17:09 should you think that's too busy? Paul McAlary 17:13 Well the Fabula would doesn't really work because they have the wrong height for your ceiling. So when we do the fab we would codes we have to get special hoods made just because the fab you would want to stay they don't they stop making fab you would stop making the right size for people's for most really people that have Yeah, I don't know why. Olga 17:39 So they don't have the 36 anymore. Paul McAlary 17:43 The 36 that they don't have a 36 that comes down 24 They only have a 36 that comes down 30 I think and it's not right your ceiling height if I Oh hold on I think I sound Olga 18:13 terrible Paul McAlary 18:31 Okay, um, if you go to our house page, use easy. You're gonna have to scroll pretty far. But the name of the kitchen is it's like many pages down. The kitchen is called Kitchen edition, recessed panel with custom paint color. Olga 18:58 Addition I may have seen it Paul McAlary 19:04 so it's a very simple wooden hood. Olga 19:10 Okay Paul McAlary 19:18 kitchen dish, we probably have to go five or six pages. Olga 19:27 Okay Paul McAlary 19:37 the reason you gotta go five or six pages, is this big, silly. The customer painted this beam that the contractor, the contractor did that yellow and it goes across the ceiling. So I'm not that much of a fan of that particular feature. They're accenting something that That's a problem. So I don't like it. So I buried it. Towards the end. What I should have really done is deleted those pictures with that with that piece and in the picture, but it's sort of good to have something. It's sometimes good to have a problem in your kitchen, just to be able to show. Yeah, Olga 20:21 exactly. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. So kitchen addition, recent panel with custom paint color, yes. Okay, yeah, I see that, Paul McAlary 20:30 that you can get, you can zoom in, or make the whole thing a whole, you know, make it make the picture, the whole page. And then if you look at that hood, there'll be lots of versions of that. But usually, when you look at that hood, there's like, three divisions on top, that maybe this one maybe doesn't have, but a lot of other people's votes do. Olga 20:54 Right, right. Okay. So and that's still a 36 inch foot. Paul McAlary 20:59 That's a 36 inch right over a 30 inch range. Olga 21:03 Correct? Yeah, because that that's very similar to the j&k hood. And that really brings me down to maybe my last question is, do you see any big deal between maple versus birch cabinets with j&k being maple and Febby? Wood being birch? Paul McAlary 21:26 For a painted finish, right? I would think that the fab you would finish is going to be nicer than the JMK. Oh, really? Oh, you have to you'd have to look at them. But fab, you would pretty much because they're birch. And Birch is a little bit easier to sand that they're finishes, you don't see the seams on the doors between the styles and the rails on the doors. So, I mean, it's been a while since I looked at J and K, I liked J and K cabinets. It's been a while since I really examined their doors to see if I could see the seams between the frame of the doors, but in fabric with most of the time you can't find them. And in more expensive plans. The seams are very obvious in US brands, j and k. If they're really maple. They're making it harder to sand the seams out. So I don't know what they doing it as good a job. But Olga 22:28 I think Paul McAlary 22:30 I also liked the bevel on the fab you would shake her door and it's a j&k have a bevel too, or is it square? Olga 22:39 It's square. Paul McAlary 22:40 So I liked the bevel a little bit nicer to it looks a little more finished and less likely to collect gunk. Olga 22:48 Okay. Yeah. Because the the vendor for the saddle wood is actually going to end up being less expensive than the JNK. I think it's just because they do high volume and they're in New Jersey. So I'm probably Paul McAlary 23:04 sorry. We seriously thought about carrying j&k. So it's a brand that we I liked. But we don't and we carry fab you with just because I think it's a close race but fab you would wins in the end. Olga 23:18 Yeah, well, they have like all that blue motion rails. And I mean, they really put quality into their cabinets. I mean, they've worked hard to get to where they're at Paul McAlary 23:32 in the j&k has some unusual door styles, which is why the some of the designers that work for me really want to wanted us to carry j and k, because Fabula wood is very limited on the doorsteps that they carry. So very, they have a very limited and J and K has some nicer ones. One of their doors that everybody was really wanted was a door that had a bead in the middle of the door so that it looked a little bit like a beaded inset cabinet that j&k has that door style and fabric with does not that was one of the compelling door styles that the designers all were lobbying for. But in the end, it doesn't it does you know, even though it's nice that they have it, we don't sell yet a lot of it. So yeah. You know, it was just That's why I decided not to carry but it's a good line. I mean, whatever you sometimes, you know, it doesn't come down to the cabinets even if the cabinets you like one more than the other. If one company is better than the other and the designer is smarter or more helpful. That can be a thing that could sway you to. Olga 24:46 Yeah, well the The other issue is he really can't tell the j&k vendor can tell me when they're actually going to be able to get them in. Paul McAlary 24:55 Oh, that's a that's a big that's a big problem. Olga 24:59 Yeah, we're As you know, savy Wood is a lot more available. Yeah, we Paul McAlary 25:04 don't really even. Yeah, that's why we don't even sell some of the brands we carry. Our, like CNC right now is a brand we carry that has availability issues. So we just stopped selling their stuff until they until they can guarantee that any particular thing we steer a customer towards, they're going to have or another brand we just started to carry, because we stopped carrying C and C is cabinet depot's cabinets. And they only can guarantee that their painted shaker cabinets are all in stock. So then what we tell the designers that are only sell painted shaker cabinets, and then you know the other ones, we can't really get people all excited about buying door styles and cabinetry from us only to disappoint them. And then one stop has to wait for a long time. You know, people are just going to start writing bad reviews and have frustrations and their contractors can't finish the job. And it's you know, you got to be able to tell people when they're gonna get their cabinets. Olga 26:12 Right. No, I mean, it's time for me to get this done. I've been thinking enough about it. So and oh, yeah, and it certainly would have been a price increase soon. That, you know, Paul McAlary 26:27 not to my knowledge, but I would say that there has to be one coming. Okay. So there is I'm sure there's one in the works, but they haven't told us yet. So what that means is that they haven't given us a date yet. It's more than three weeks away. Okay. So they would always, never give us a, they would never change the price without like a three week period of time. And the reason would be is that if they were going to increase the prices, they that would create a huge whole lot of they would sell a whole lot more cabinets all of a sudden, because it would force people's hands and they liked doing that. So they want to give us they want to give us a notice. And we've had problems when they've given us notice. Because you know, one of the problems is when you when you have this happening at the last minute, people are pulling the trigger on kitchens, just to avoid the price increase. And sometimes they're not even ready, they haven't made all the decisions. Sometimes we're trying to rush to get the order in so we don't have to pay for the price increase. So what we usually tell customers is, is if you're not the person that's forcing, what we do at least is just tell people that listen to do your stuff. Do you do everything from your end, and then we won't charge you the price increase if we you know, if we think it's sensible to not order it. This rushed so and then we just we just suck it up and pay for the price and grease on their kitchen but in the end, then the cabinets aren't rushed there kitchen doesn't end up being in that last final wave of cabinetry that has a million dealers ordering a trillion cabinets on the last couple of days. Being a customer and being in that last little wave of cabinets is not a desirable thing. Olga 28:36 Yeah, I understand what you mean you know with the way my design is ending up being I'm really not going to have much drawer space. Because you know my lower cabinets can be 21 and they don't make a base cabinet and 21 have a drawer base and 21 and then I thought Fabbi would didn't make a 21 base. Do they? Paul McAlary 29:05 They make a 2021 I don't think they made I think they make a three drawer Yeah, they make a three drawer and a four drawer. Oh do they? Yeah. Oh, but you don't have the HUD in fact you with that yet? Like Olga 29:21 I know I could I just get it from a different vendor. Paul McAlary 29:24 I think you want to paint the marriage. Olga 29:28 I know that's the issue. Paul McAlary 29:29 So we order it we order it custom and have it shipped the fab you would we order that hood that you saw in that picture from a custom manufacturer would would work Express I think is the people we order it from and then have woodworker Express, shipped the hood, the fab you would then fab you would paint it to match. But I don't know that a lot of other dealers are going to want to do that. That's probably going to make They probably have a fall out. Just thinking Olga 30:08 okay, that's something to think about them. So Febby wood does make a 21 and a 27 inch, Paul McAlary 30:19 not a 27 inch while they make a 27 inch the regional outbreaks I pulled up Olga 30:26 okay Paul McAlary 30:30 scrubbing the speck rubbing the speck. Thank you This is an old one too, so value would never take away anything. So, so they make a 21 inch four drawer base and make a 24 inch three drawer base. But they do not make a 27 inch, three drawer base or four drawer. Okay, so 27 is the one that they don't make. Not 21 Olga 31:04 Okay, so they make it 21. Oh, anywhere you want. So 21 is anywhere Paul McAlary 31:12 you want. Three draw four draw. Yeah. Olga 31:15 Okay. And then, but the 27 No, Paul McAlary 31:20 27? No. But I don't know when your design where you've got it. 27? I don't think Olga 31:26 because? Because I thought I would do that. Did you tell me about doing a coffee service? area? Yeah, so I was thinking because the savvy wood oven cabinet is 33. Right. So I have to make three inches away. And so that has to be 27. And then the oven cabinet that 36 inch refrigerator and then a 24 inch pantry. Paul McAlary 31:57 So you've got on your picture, 120 inches there. So minus 33 minus your refrigerator, which is 36 minus a panel that you're going to need, which is at least one minus if you want an early entry to. Olga 32:14 Yeah, I'm okay because it's actually 122 Without the little panel. So just for Paul McAlary 32:22 self, it's 122 I think if it was me, I would get a 33 at the oven cabinet can really go right up against the wall. Almost put just put, your ovens aren't going to be a problem, it's just going to be the top one door on the bottom that will hit the trim. So you could put like a three quarter inch filler on the side of the upper cabinet. So say that's 34 inches with the oven cabinet and a one inch filler. And then the refrigerators 36. And then the panel that you're going to need on the side of the refrigerator is three quarters of an inch. So recall that one. So now we're at 71. And then if it was me, I think I might get a an 18 inch wide pantry. So then that's 89 and you had 120 to 122 minus 89. That leaves you with 33 and then 33 Yeah, lots of choices. And if you got a 21 inch and three, they don't make a 21 they only make an 18 and a 24. So right we went 24 Then what does that leave you with? 120 That leaves you with the 27 Right. I think I go 18 with the pantry because the 27 inch cabinet. The reason that I'll make a three drawer bass and that is it's not really useful for pots and pans. You really need it to be 30 to be a good pots and pans cabinet. Okay, so you know, there's no right and wrong answer. But I think it's more useful to have and it's also going to be between the refrigerator and a wall. And so that makes it a little bit harder to work that so having more countertop there. It's helpful. So I think I get the 18 inch pantry and then you have room for a 33 inch drawer base there. Okay. Olga 34:32 That would be lovely. Yeah, no Paul McAlary 34:34 more countertop, they're a little bit more accessible to have the 18 inch pantry which is fine. Olga 34:44 And then the 33 inch drawer base and the 39 Yeah, I would actually like more counter space. So yeah, Paul McAlary 34:53 I think you're you're kind of space over in that area. Olga 34:57 Yeah, that's a really good idea. All right, I'm happy now, I didn't know that they made a 21 inch drawer base I thought I'd have to get I thought I'd have to use pull outs and stuff. I prefer the drawer so Paul McAlary 35:11 they have a 21 inch row base for drawer or three drawers. Olga 35:18 Yeah, I find three drawers a little bit more useful. But I mean I can see for like, you know, placemats and things like that you could use Paul McAlary 35:26 in looking at your kitchen. Yeah, probably have three drawer. It's, it depends on what you're using. I mean with a four drawer. Yeah, the bottom drawer is still a deep drawer, or a deeper, it's just you're getting two other thin drawers instead of one top drawer. So for instance, your kitchen. Really, you might want to keep your cutlery in a drawer one of those drawers or maybe you carry over and it's good a 21 inch width is a good width for a cutlery tour. So if you had a cupboard drawer on top and then you had underneath that your spatulas and everything else for your stove then that would be two drawers. And then underneath that if you had I don't know you might want to keep I didn't know Olga 36:21 I have you know a lot of stuff. Yeah, like aprons and yeah you know towels and stuff like that that you're not Paul McAlary 36:32 you know, it's a toss up which which you want to Olga 36:35 follow but that's a good idea. Okay, that works well. And then secondly to rescue I appreciate the the lead on the hood thing in case I don't go for the microwave over the stove I mean it's more efficient but that's what I've had. So I've seen you know, those different ones that look just it looks so nice. Well Paul, Paul McAlary 37:09 get that hood eventually but I don't think it's coming soon. Olga 37:13 Yeah, yeah. So the ones that are like the three art the arch three panel you don't think would be good and Mike, Paul McAlary 37:20 let me see. So in yours you have a 96 inch so we'll just refresh my memory. I just noticed that too high. So 36 inches, or 30 inches. So that means the bottom of the hood is 24 inches off the countertop. So you're gonna have this foot that's you know, not leaving you must much space between the bottom at the top of your you're only going to have you know 24 inches between your cooktop and your bottom of your hood. Olga 37:53 Oh that doesn't work because 30 inches if I have 96 it's 95 inches to the Paul McAlary 38:01 95 inches you're gonna have five inches of molding on top of the cabinets. And then your your cabinets are all going to be mounted at 90 inches. So when you take 30 inches away your bottom of your hoods gonna be at mounted at six. I mean, six inches, the bottom of your foot will be six inches above the bottom of the cabinets. So only 24 inches off your countertop. So they're really what you're saying? Olga 38:32 No, go ahead. So so the hood, the hood height should be How high Paul McAlary 38:38 2424 Olga 38:41 okay Paul McAlary 38:42 to leave you at least 30 inches between your the bottom of your cabinet and, but that's also why you could get a 36 stainless 36 inch stainless steel hood. More most, a lot of those are only going to be 18 inches high though. In which case you can use it as a team. You could get an extension in stainless steel, you could get an extension just in would just bring a filler down over the hood but you could have a you know, a stainless steel hood to be very easy to get the right size in. That's not that that's not what. Olga 39:23 Okay. Sounds good. Well, thank you again. I want to get you home. Paul McAlary 39:35 All right. Thank you. Take care. Bye bye. All right. Take care. Bye bye. Mark Mitten 39:39 Thank you for listening to the mainline kitchen design podcast with nationally acclaimed Kitchen Designer Paul maxillary. This podcast is brought to you by Brighton cabinetry, high quality custom cabinetry at competitive prices. For more on kitchen cabinets and kitchen design, go to www dot mainline kitchen design.com Transcribed by https://otter.ai